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| I've been reading a few discussions on Reddit about the new NSA data
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| centre that is being built and stumbled upon [this
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| post](http://www.reddit.com/r/restorethefourth/comments/1jf6cx/the_guardian_releases_another_leaked_document_nsa/cbe5hnc),
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| putting its alleged storage capacity at *5 zettabytes*.
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| 
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| That seems to be a bit much which I tried to explain to that guy, but I
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| was quickly blocked by the common conspiracy argument that government
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| technology is somehow far beyond the wildest dreams of us mere mortals -
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| thus I wrote a very long reply that will most likely never be seen by
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| anybody. Therefore I've decided to repost it here.
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| 
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| I feel like I've entered /r/conspiracy. Please have some facts (and do
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| read them!)
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| 
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| A one terabyte SSD (I assume that\'s what you meant by flash-drive)
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| would require 5000000000 of those. That is *five billion* of those flash
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| drives. Can you visualise how much five billion flash-drives are?
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| 
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| A single SSD is roughly 2cm\*13cm\*13cm with an approximate weight of
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| 80g. That would make 400 000 metric tons of SSDs, a weight equivalent to
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| *over one thousand Boeing 747 airplanes*. Even if we assume that they
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| solder the flash chips directly onto some kind of controller (which also
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| weighs something), the raw material for that would be completely insane.
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| 
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| Another visualization: If you stacked 5 billion SSDs on top of each
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| other you would get an SSD tower that is a hundred thousand kilometres
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| high, that is equivalent to 2,5 x the equatorial circumference of
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| *Earth* or 62000 miles.
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| 
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| The volume of those SSDs would be clocking in at 1690000000 cubic
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| metres, more than the Empire State building. Are you still with me?
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| 
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| Lets speak cost. The Samsung SSD that I assume you are referring to will
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| clock in at \$600, lets assume that the NSA gets a discount when buying
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| *five billion* of those and gets them at the cheap price of \$250. That
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| makes 1.25 trillion dollars. That would be a significant chunk of the
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| current US national debt.
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| 
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| And all of this is just SSDs to stick into servers and storage units,
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| which need a whole bunch of other equipment as well to support them -
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| the cost would probably shoot up to something like 8 trillion dollars if
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| they were to build this. It would with very high certainty be more than
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| the annual production of SSDs (I can\'t find numbers on that
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| unfortunately) and take up *slightly* more space than they have in the
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| Utah data centre (assuming you\'re not going to tell me that it is in
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| fact attached to an underground base that goes down to the core of the
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| Earth).
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| 
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| Lets look at the \"But the government has better technologies!\" idea.
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| 
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| Putting aside the fact that the military *most likely* does not have a
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| secret base on Mars that deals with advanced science that the rest of us
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| can only dream of, and doing this under the assumption that they do have
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| this base, lets assume that they build a storage chip that stores 100TB.
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| This reduces the amount of needed chips to \"just\" 50 million, lets say
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| they get 10 of those into a server / some kind of specialized storage
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| unit and we only need 5 million of those specially engineered servers,
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| with custom connectors, software, chips, storage, most likely also power
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| sources and whatever - 10 million completely custom units built with
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| technology that is not available to the market. Google is estimated to
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| have about a million servers in total, I don\'t know exactly in how many
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| data centres those are placed but numbers I heard recently said that
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| it\'s about 40. When Apple assembles a new iPhone model they need
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| massive factories with thousands of workers and supplies from many
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| different countries, over several months, to assemble just a few million
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| units for their launch month.
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| 
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| You are seriously proposing that the NSA is better than Google and Apple
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| and the rest of the tech industry, world-wide, combined at designing
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| *everything* in tech, manufacturing *everything* in tech, without *any*
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| information about that leaking and without *any* of the science behind
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| it being known? That\'s not just insane, that\'s outright impossible.
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| 
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| And we haven\'t even touched upon how they would route the necessary
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| amounts of bandwidth (crazy insane) to save *the entire internet* into
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| that data center.
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| 
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| 
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| I\'m not saying that the NSA is not building a data center to store
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| surveillance information, to have more capacity to spy on people and all
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| that - I\'m merely making the point that the extent in which conspiracy
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| sites say they do this vastly overestimates their actual abilities. They
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| don\'t have magic available to them! Instead of making up insane figures
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| like that you should focus on what we actually know about their
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| operations, because using those figures in a debate with somebody who is
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| responsible for this (and knows what they\'re talking about) will end
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| with you being destroyed - nobody will listen to the rest of what
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| you\'re saying when that happens.
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| 
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| \"Stick to the facts\" is valid for our side as well.
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